No Disciples, No Mission

By Alan Hirsch

Published: November 13, 2009

Having been believers and ministers for over 25 years now has given Debs and I an appreciation for just how hard it is to be an authentic follower of our Lord and Savior. To be an authentically radical disciple requires a relentless evaluation of life's priorities and concerns-together with an ongoing, rigorous, critique of our culture-to ensure we are not adopting values that subvert the very life and message we are called to live out.

For true followers of Jesus, discipleship is not simply the first step toward a promising career of being a Christian, rather it is itself the fulfillment of our destiny. So, Debs and I have decided to write a book on what we call "missional discipleship." Appropriately called Untamed, it is meant to be a penetrating look into the things that keep us from becoming all we were made to be and has many practical suggestions about how to become wild followers of Jesus again.

The truth is that discipleship, at least the way the Bible understands it, cannot be limited to a personal exercise in personal spirituality. There are much greater, perhaps even global, consequences at stake in our becoming more like Jesus. So much so that we have actually come to believe that discipleship is a frontier issue for the people of God at this time in history. Why? Because most commentators would now agree that the Western Church, because of its deep embedding into the prevailing consumerist culture, has all but lost the art of discipleship. Reggie McNeal has concluded that "church culture in North America is now a vestige of the original [Christian] movement, an institutional expression of religion that is in part a civil religion and in part a club where religious people can hang out with other people whose politics, worldview, and lifestyle match theirs."

If this is indeed the case, we should be clear that this is not what the church is called to be, and is, in fact, directly caused by a failure in discipleship and disciple-making. And it will have to be addressed if we are to give faithful witness to our century. Therefore, rediscovering what it means to radically follow Jesus is now an area of strategic-and definitely missional-concern. To recover mission we are going to have to take discipleship seriously again, but the reverse is also true; to rediscover discipleship we are also going to have to take mission seriously. We cannot be true disciples without also being missionaries (sent ones) to our worlds.

The gospel is the power of God for the salvation of the world (Rom. 1:16), and God wants to redeem the broken and lost world around us and through us. Our lives, individual and corporate, play a vital role in the unfolding of the grand purposes of God. The gospel cannot be limited to being about my personal healing and wholeness, but rather extends in and through my salvation to the salvation of the world. To fail in discipleship and disciple-making is therefore to fail in the primary mission (or "sentness") of the church. And it does not take a genius to realize that we have all but lost the art of disciple-making in the contemporary Western church. No wonder Dallas Willard calls the systematic non-discipleship of the Western Church "the great omission" in his book by that name.

There is much talk about missional church in our time-and we completely agree. The church must become missional or fade into increasing irrelevance in the 21st Century. But we simply cannot get there from here without factoring discipleship into the equation. We can't have one without the other: if there be no mission there can be no discipleship, and if there is no discipleship there will be no mission. And there can be no missional church if there is no disciple-making church-it's as simple as that. If ever there was a time to recover the true meaning of the Great Commission to make disciples of the nations it is now. The future health and viability of Western Christianity is at stake. We must not waste time.

This article excerpted from Untamed: Reactivating a Missional Form of Discipleship, by Alan Hirsch, Feb 2010. Published by Baker Books, a division of Baker Publishing Group. Used by permission

 

Alan Hirsch is widely regarded as a seminal thinker and writer on areas of missional church. He has written The Forgotten Ways, The Shaping of Things to Come, and ReJesus. Debra is a gifted speaker and teacher on issue of mission to the marginalized and on sexuality. Alan and Debra Hirsch’s new book Untamed: Reactivating a Missional Form of Discipleship will be released by Baker in Jan 2010.

Copyright © 2008 Alan Hirsch. All rights reserved.


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BIRTH, DEATH, AND RESURRECTION OF JESUS

Jesus Christ; is he the son of God, just a lunatic or a simple myth similar to other pagan gods? In our research we have found that several individuals feel that Jesus is a religious myth like so many other gods, with the following similarities:

Born on December 25th, born of a virgin, a star in the East foreshadowed his birth, adorned by wise men, teacher of men at a young age, baptized and begun his ministry by age 30, had 12 disciples, performed miracles, called the “Lamb of God” etc., was crucified, dead for three days and resurrected.

In the history books many other gods have followed this same succession of life such as:

Dionysus - Greece - 500 BC

Krishna - India - 900 BC

Antis - Greece - 1200 BC

Mithras - Persia - 1200 BC

Horus - Egypt - 3000 BC

This is just to name a few.

        The first point that I would like to bring across in this teaching is that Jesus Christ was in fact not born in December like all of these other gods are believed to have been. Does this fact set him apart from the others? Yes. I’m sure you’re asking yourself how we can determine this fact when many world scholars have been unable. Well for one, our minds have not been tainted by supposed facts, and we will not stand by and go with the “norm” just because that is what has been accepted through out time. We have conducted research using the documental evidence left to us - The Bible.

        One event that is continuously mentioned through out the Bible is Passover. Every time the Bible mentions the age of Jesus Christ, Passover is also mentioned. We can use this to pin point when he was born as well as when he died. First, allow us to explain what Passover is and where it began and when it should be observed. Passover was first mentioned in the Old Testament. Exd 12:13“Now the blood shall be a sign for you on the houses where you [are]. And when I see the blood, I will pass over you; and the plague shall not be on you to destroy [you] when I strike the land of Egypt.” Exd12:14“So this day shall be to you a memorial; and you shall keep it as a feast to the LORD throughout your generations. You shall keep it as a feast by an everlasting ordinance.” Eze 45:21 “In the first [month] (also know as Nissan), on the fourteenth day of the month, you shall observe the Passover, a feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten.”                                   

        With this being said we can now show you that by using Passover we can create a timeline that shows when Jesus Christ was born, died and resurrected.

From the book of Daniel we read:

Dan 9:24 “Seventy weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city, To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness, To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy.
Dan 9:25 “Know therefore and understand, [That] from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince, [There shall be] seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; the street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times.
Dan 9:26 “And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; and the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it [shall be] with a flood and till the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, even until the Consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate.”

                            The seventy weeks explained,
7 weeks + 62 weeks = 69 weeks. 69 weeks of years periods would pass from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem until the coming of the Messiah. The Messiah would be “cut off” and the city and temple would be destroyed again. A 70th week period would follow, which is the last seven years.

Dan 9:24-25 says that from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to the coming of the Messiah there will be 483 years.

7 + 62 “weeks” = 69 groups of seven years. 7 x 69 = 483 years

A prophetic year or lunar year = 360 days. This is based both on ancient history and on Rev 11:2, 13:5, 11:3, and 12:6 which indicate that 42 months 3 ½ years are equal to 1,260 days.

                           

Persian Emperor Artaxerxes Longimanus (who ruled Persia from 464-424 BC) issued the edict to rebuild Jerusalem on the 1st of Nissan in the 20th year of his reign (that is, March 5th, 444 BC; see (Neh 2:18) 173,880 days from March 5th 444 BC ends at March 30th 33 AD. Here’s the math:

                                    Therefore, 483 years x 360 days = 173,880 days


March 30th, 33 AD was exactly 5 days before Passover on April 3rd, 33 AD. According to John’s Gospel, the Triumphant Entry took place 5 days before Passover: “Then, six days before the Passover, Jesus came to Bethany, where Lazarus was who had been dead, whom He had raised from the dead. John 12:1… Now a great many of the Jews knew that He was there; and they came, not for Jesus’ sake only, but that they might also see Lazarus, whom He had raised from the dead. But the chief priests plotted to put Lazarus to death also, because on account of him many of the Jews went away and believed in Jesus. The next day a great multitude that had come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, took branches of palm trees and went out to meet Him, and cried out: ‘Hosanna! Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD! , The King of Israel.

According to the Gospel accounts, Christ was crucified the day before Passover, was “three days and three nights in the heart of the earth” (Mat 12:38-40), and was resurrected before sunrise on a Sunday (Mar 16:1-2). In order for Christ to have been crucified the day before Passover and resurrected on a Sunday three days and three nights later, Passover would have had to fall on a Friday, whereby Christ was crucified on a Thursday (Luke 24:21). We can narrow down the year of Christ’s crucifixion to one possibility: 33 AD.

March 28, 1 AD Passover: Nisan 14, 3761 (Monday)  ————1st Month (Nisan) The birth of Jesus, Luke 2:6-14

April 15, 2 Passover: Nisan 14, 3762 (Saturday) Jesus was one.

April 4, 3 Passover: Nisan 14, 3763 (Wednesday) King Herod attempt to kill Jesus, Mt, 2: 1-21.

April 14, 13 Passover: Nisan 14, 3773 (Friday) Luke 2: 41-42 - Jesus was 12 years old

March 26, 31 Passover: Nisan 14, 3791(Monday) Luke 3: 23 - Jesus was 30 years old when he started his ministry. John 2:13-15.

April 14, 32 Passover: Nisan 14, 3792 (Monday) – He was 31 years old; he feed the multitude Jh, 6:4-12.

April 3, 33 Passover:  Nisan 14, 3793 (Friday) John, 19:31-37- For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us (He was 32 years old). He had a two years ministry .1 Cr, 5:7.

                    The bible stated at age twelve Jesus was taken to Jerusalem to take part in the Feast of Passover as was a yearly custom Luke 2:41-42. Also, at the age of thirty the Bible mentioned that Jesus began his ministry Luke 3:23. Some would ask, “Why did he wait so long to start his ministry?” I myself have asked why but it is evident that he [Jesus] was definitely waiting for something to happen before he started his great works. In John 2:4 “Jesus said to her, “Woman [Mary], what does your concern have to do with me? My hour has not yet come.” What time could he possibly be referring to?

        Several entries in the Bible show that it was a tradition to begin service for God at the age of thirty. Num. 4:23 from thirty years old and above, even to fifty years old, you shall number them, all who enter to perform the service, to do the work in the tabernacle of meeting (Also read: Num. 4:23, Num. 4:30, Num. 4:35, Num. 4:47) 2Sam. 5:4 David was thirty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned forty years.

        When Jesus began his ministry at age thirty is it just a coincidence that it is during Passover? John 2:13-15 “Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers doing business. When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers’ money and overturned the tables

Below is what took place on his second Passover during his ministry. 
John 6:4-12, He feed the multitude on Passover and on the feast of Tabernacle he told his brothers his time has not yet come.

Jhn7:5 for even His brothers did not believe in Him.


Jhn7:6 then Jesus said to them, “My time has not yet come, but your time is always ready.
Jhn7:7 the world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify of it that its     works are evil.
Jhn7:8 you go up to this feast. I am not yet going up to this feast, for my time has not yet fully come.”

That being said, he was waiting for a specific time to fulfill Daniel prophecy.

Third Passover!!!

John 13:1 Now before the Feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that His hour had come that He should depart from this world to the Father, having loved His own who were in the world, He loved them to the end.

Mat 26:18 And He said, “Go into the city to a certain man, and say to him, ‘The Teacher says, “My time is at hand; I will keep the Passover at your house with my disciples.” ‘“

From Daniel prophecy we all can agree that Messiah was cut off in year 33 AD on Passover. We know that He spent three Passovers during the course of his two years ministry according to John’s gospel. He really died at the age of thirty two.

                    “Below is a calendar starting from 1 AD to 40 AD”

March 28, 1 AD Passover: Nisan 14, 3761 (Monday)  ————1st Month (Nisan) The birth of Jesus, Mat 2:6-14.

April 15, 2 Passover: Nisan 14, 3762 (Saturday)  —————Jesus was a year old.

April 4, 3 Passover: Nisan 14, 3763 (Wednesday) King Herod attempt to kill Jesus, Mat, 2:1-21.

March 24, 4 Passover: Nisan 14, 3764 (Wednesday)

April 13, 5 Passover: Nisan 14, 3765 (Monday)

April 2,  6 Passover: Nisan 14, 3766 (Friday)

March 21, 7 Passover: Nisan 14, 3767 (Monday)

April 9, 8 Passover: Nisan 14, 3768 (Monday)

March 29, 9 Passover: Nisan 14, 3769 (Friday)

April 16, 10 Passover: Nisan 14, 3770 (Wednesday)

April 6, 11 Passover: Nisan 14, 3771 (Monday)

March 25, 12 Passover: Nisan 14, 3772 (Friday)

April 14, 13 Passover: Nisan 14, 3773 (Friday) Luke 2: 41-42—————Jesus was 12 years old

April 2, 14 Passover: Nisan 14, 3774 (Monday)

March 22, 15 Passover: Nisan 14, 3775 (Friday)

April 10, 16 Passover: Nisan 14, 3776 (Friday)

March 31, 17 Passover: Nisan 14, 3777 (Wednesday)

March 19, 18 Passover: Nisan 14, 3778 (Saturday)

April 7, 19 Passover: Nisan 14, 3779 (Friday)

March 27, 20 Passover: Nisan 14, 3780 (Wednesday)

April 14, 21 Passover: Nisan 14, 3781 (Monday)

April 4, 22 Passover: Nisan 14, 3782 (Saturday)

March 24, 23 Passover: Nisan 14, 3783 (Wednesday)

April 12, 24 Passover:  Nisan 14, 3784 (Wednesday)

April 2, 25 Passover:  Nisan 14, 3785 (Monday)

March 22, 26 Passover: Nisan 14, 3786 (Friday)

April 9, 27 Passover: Nisan 14, 3787 (Wednesday)

March 29, 28 Passover: Nisan 14, 3788 (Monday)

April 16, 29 Passover: Nisan 14, 3789 (Saturday)

April 5, 30 Passover: Nisan 14, 3790 (Wednesday)

March 26, 31 Passover: Nisan 14, 3791(Monday) Luke 3: 23————Jesus was 30 years old when he started his ministry.

April 14, 32 Passover: Nisan 14, 3792 (Monday) John, 6:4. He feed the multitude.

April 3, 33 Passover:  Nisan 14, 3793 (Friday) John 19:31-37. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us (He was 32 years old) 1Cr 5:7.

March 22, 34 Passover: Nisan 14, 3794 (Monday)

April 11, 35 Passover:  Nisan 14, 3795 (Monday)

March 30, 36 Passover: Nisan 14, 3796 (Friday)

March 20, 37 Passover: Nisan 14, 3797 (Wednesday)

April 7, 38 Passover:  Nisan 14, 3798 (Monday)

March 27, 39 Passover: Nisan 14, 3799 (Friday)

April 15, 40 Passover:  Nisan 14, 3800 (Friday)

Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding;

Rom 3:3 For what if some did not believe? Will their unbelief makes the faithfulness of God without effect?

Rom 3:4 certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar, as it is written: “that you may be justified in your words, and may overcome when you are judged.”

Our LORD Jesus was not born on December 25th as we have been told, now we know for sure He was born on Passover and because of that faith, the Devil will pass right over us and fall strait in to Hell were he belongs.      Mt, 25:41. 

Should we celebrate Christmas? “Most certainly not” our bible tells us that we should remember the LORD death till he comes 1 Cr 11: 23-32.

2Tim. 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine;
but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having
itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall
be turned unto fables. That is what Christmas is and Santa Claus.
Do not sell the word of God, Pro 23: 23. Freely receive freely give to Jesus be the glory, may the Lord bless his work Apostle Paul of ytbn.org keep the faith Heb 11:6.

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